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Neal Stephenson, the science fiction novelist, has been a idol of mine for a when. I loved reading his Snow Crash, the sci-fi book that introduced the notion of the metaverse, the universe of virtual worlds that are all interconnected, back in the 1990s. And I come about to be listening to his dense sci-fi novel, Anathem, correct now on Audible. So you can think about my surprise when former Magic Leap chief inventive officer Graeme Devine introduced me to Sean Stewart, an alternate reality games specialist Austin Grossman, game developer and novelist and — yep — Stephenson about an Audible project they have been working on.



Their nine-hour audio drama is becoming published today. It’s known as New Found Land: The Long Haul, and it is one thing that they conceived when working on a large project on augmented reality at Magic Leap. They had usually intended this audio drama, which is like a radio play with actors, to be a stand-alone Audible knowledge. But they conceived of the back story when working on an augmented reality application for the Magic Leap One AR headset. Sadly, the fortunes of Magic Leap did not let them to finish their AR project, which would have overlaid imagery from two alternate universes on the true world.



I was delighted to interview Stephenson and Stewart about the audio drama and how they worked on it at Magic Leap till their division was laid off, when Magic Leap pivoted away from customer technologies and focused on the enterprise. They are all veteran storytellers who came to the project from various directions — sci-fi novels, video games, and alternate reality games.

But I’m not completely sure how significantly of their story I can think. It is fiction interwoven with reality, as there is a Magic Leap character who is aspect of the audio drama story, which is like a radio play with actors. But each Stephenson and Stewart have been adamant that I comprehend that there is no alternate reality game to go with this audio drama. They do not want persons to start out hunting down clues on the net or the true world and discover out that supposed bread crumbs basically lead to practically nothing. Stewart knows how obsessive persons on the world-wide-web can come to be, as he worked on the ilovebees.com alternate reality game when he was at 42 Entertainment. That was a true-world and net-based set of puzzles that led to a advertising campaign for the launch of Halo 2.

They insist it is a stand-alone work of fiction, but they also did not confirm to me irrespective of whether they genuinely think there are two alternate realities to the one we live in. For now, I’m going to take them for their words when they say they are not placing me on. And you ought to also, so do not waste a lot of time pondering there’s an alternate reality game to go with this audio drama. I’m going to listen to this audio drama, soon after I finish about 10 more hours of listening to the 32-hour Anathem novel that I’ve began. Heck, I assume an individual ought to go ahead and make the AR app for these guys.

Here’s an edited transcript of our interview.

Image Credit: Audible

GamesBeat: The piece has a really cryptic description. Where did you want to start out as far as attempting to describe it?

Neal Stephenson: What have you heard so far?

GamesBeat: Just that it got began at Magic Leap, and then it turned into this nine-hour audio drama. It sounds like there’s a net introduction to it out there as properly that you will have going quickly. That’s about it.

Stephenson: This emerged from a group that I was operating out of Magic Leap’s Seattle workplace in between about 2015 and 2020. It didn’t start out this way, but it ended up containing 3 novelists and a bunch of other persons from several branches of the game business. The concept was to develop an IP, a story universe, that was properly-adapted to augmented reality.

There are two methods we can play this. We have a fictional premise that we’ve been going with, which is that we’re a couple of optical scientists at Magic Leap who got assigned the job of tracking down some audiovisual glitches appearing in an earlier version of the gear. The more they investigated these glitches, the more they saw that they weren’t random static, but basically glimpses into a various world. They designed a device known as the PHILTR, which is the Phase Hopping InterLaminary Transmission Rejector, which is a way of eliminating the crosstalk from these other universes, but it had a switch on it. It could switch from the rejector setting to the resonator setting.

When it operates as the resonator, it is like a crystal radio that picks up transmissions from these other universes. If you hook it up and plug your Magic Leap device into this point, which they create into an old tin lunch box, you can see these other worlds. There are two of them. One is known as Laminar, and the other is known as Old Gnarly. They split off from our timeline — or our timeline split off from them, based on how you look at it — we split off from Old Gnarly about 1,000 years ago, and it became a version of our world dominated by magic. We split off from Laminar about one hundred years ago, and it became an alternate timeline that is dominated by the sorts of large cool analog technologies that we under no circumstances got. They have the flying vehicles, the jetpacks, the blasters, but they do not have digital technologies or networks. They have Mars colonies, but they nevertheless use paper phone directories.

We designed these two fictional Magic Leap workers and wrote them into the story. The initially drop was from 2018. It was a series of YouTube videos in which an agent gets sent to our world from Laminar to investigate this man and this lady in the Seattle workplace of Magic Leap who are creating this PHILTR device. Hijinks ensue. That all culminated in an ARG, the sort of point that Sean is a world-top specialist in, at the New York Comic-Con in October 2018. While we have been there, we had breakfast with a producer from Audible. That’s when we had the concept of generating an audio drama that would inform the next phase of the story. That’s been in the operates ever because.

We have been all let go from Magic Leap in April of 2020. The whole inventive studio aspect of Magic Leap was disbanded. But that didn’t avoid us from becoming completed, for the reason that Audible was going to generate the complete point anyway. They currently had the only point they required from us, which was the script, mainly written by Sean and Austin with some contributions from me. They just went ahead and created the point. It’s coming out on Thursday.

Sean Stewart: I assume it is secure to say there’s a lot of Neal Stephenson DNA via the world and the script.

GamesBeat: There are pages currently up, but it is not going live till Thursday. Is there yet another element also? Will Amazon have one thing, or did I misread that?

Stephenson: Amazon and Audible are joined at the hip. This only exists as an audiobook, even though. You can discover it via Amazon, but the only way to get it is to acquire the audio drama from Audible. You can pre-order now, but you can not basically get it till Thursday.

GamesBeat: I listened to Anathem, and also to Snow Crash once more on Audible. I liked all the music in Snow Crash. Is that an instance of what we’re going to see with some of this as properly?

Stewart: This is a various deal. This is a complete cast. We have 15 cast members. It’s not just becoming study. It’s actually 4 Marvel films with your eyes closed. Sound effects, music, all the characters.

Stephenson: It’s what we used to get in touch with a radio play, but you are not supposed to get in touch with it that now. Now it is an audio drama. This comes from a point that Audible’s best brass have been wanting to do for a lengthy time, which is to develop entertainment that is written to the type, which means not just an actor reading a book out loud, but a totally scripted and created audio drama.

Magic Leap One Creator Edition up close.

Image Credit: Dean Takahashi

GamesBeat: Did the rights revert to you guys when the studio disbanded?

Stephenson: They surely personal the rights, yeah. They’re not about customer-facing entertainment correct now. They’ve pivoted strongly toward industrial, industrial varieties of applications.

GamesBeat: This sounds like a large project, but are you nevertheless interested in AR and seeing that come to fruition at some point?

Stephenson: It would be cool. It was made for AR. The IP is calibrated to work properly as an AR project, and so it is absolutely doable. We had made some advances toward that right here in Seattle. We’d constructed the beginnings of a place-based knowledge exactly where you could look out the window of an workplace suite into Pioneer Square and you could see what Pioneer Square looked like in either the world of Laminar or the world of Old Gnarly and interact with it to some degree. But it is tough. Making AR content is difficult nevertheless. Once you have worked on that for a when, generating an audio drama or any other sort of common media appears extremely simple by comparison.

Stewart: If we could get the IP back or get Magic Leap interested in generating the point themselves, that is exactly where it all began from. It would be great to do. Once you have sat in a creating in Pioneer Square and watched a zeppelin land and guys with jetpacks come out of it, you want to see that once more.

GamesBeat: Sean, from your background, I used to be really familiar with the 42 Entertainment persons. What did you bring in from the ARG world to this?

Stewart: There are two issues. One is, as Neal mentioned, we had an ARG of modest proportions, and the assets for that are nevertheless out there waiting to be found by persons who have the audiobook. Most persons who encounter the audiobook will have no concept that there’s an whole prequel out there waiting to be discovered in the world. And then second, if you know–I was one of the founders of 42. If you know that work, you know that I was the lead writer on I Love Bees, which was a mere 5 and a half hour audio drama. We’d been about the block, or at least I had been, writing for this format, which was incredibly useful.

GamesBeat: Is there any of ILoveBees in this, would you say? There are issues to discover in the true world?

Stephenson: To set expectations, there’s not an active ARG operating at this time.

Stewart: Right. But in 2018 there was generally a story that unfurled about 3 pillars. There was a web-site, a neighborhood forum for a group known as the Yarnies, who have been fans of a golden age comic book that had been erased from the world. If you know the term the Mandela Effect, exactly where you are completely particular one thing had occurred, except it under no circumstances occurred, but lots of persons agree that it also happened–there’s a renowned instance of a film with Shaquille O’Neal from the ‘90s, except there’s no such film. Anyway, all these persons earnestly know that they’ve seen these comic books, but no one can prove that they exist.

There’s a second pillar, which is the optical scientist who is upstairs from us at Magic Leap discovering other worlds. When he appears via the device, he recognizes what he sees, for the reason that his flaky would-be comic artist brother used to draw these two worlds all the time. You would take these two pillars of the story, and then the third was this set of YouTube videos by this just-out-of-higher-college kid who discovers the agent from yet another world. Slowly these 3 storylines track with each other. There have been issues that persons could do in true life. They got pieces of mail and all the stuff you know about.

Image Credit: Microsoft

GamesBeat: Is that sign, exactly where you guys took the image, a true location? Or is that a set?

Stewart: That is truly Enchanted Rock, Texas. We truly did go there to do study. There’s a conceit behind the world, which is that generally each couple of hundred years, a meteorite or comet shower passes, dropping–I think the technical term Neal makes use of is “magic space dust.” Dropping magic space dust on our planet, which is used to energy the spells in the fantasy and the technologies in the sci-fi world, but for us, we’ve just under no circumstances recognized it was great for something. It’s like the Comanche riding horses more than giant amounts of oil in Oklahoma. We under no circumstances made the connection.

Enchanted Rock itself is a giant meteor strike from an occasion associated to this comet passing. Neal, for the reason that Neal is Neal, has a system in Mathematica which lists each piece of cometary magic space dust that has landed on earth because 10,000 B.C. You can chart it, for the reason that of course he does. That’s the pleasure of working with Neal.

GamesBeat: To be clear once more, there’s an audio drama that is completed. There are pieces of an ARG out there in the world, but not completed? And an unfinished AR application.

Stewart: There is no AR application, and we’re not mounting a present ARG with the bells and whistles.

Stephenson: We’re becoming nervous, for the reason that when enthusiasts for the ARG type get going on one of these, they’re relentless. They’ll blow via each dilemma you can set in a matter of hours. We do not want them to wrongly get the concept that there’s one of these presently operating and then spin their wheels seeking for nonexistent clues.

GamesBeat: But this drama, in the fiction, does have Magic Leap workers in it?

Stewart: Magic Leap is under no circumstances named. They work at an AR startup. That was usually the deal from the starting, that AR would be aspect of what we have been creating for, but we didn’t want any individual to come to the work and really feel like it was a really peculiar type of item placement.

Image Credit: 42 Entertainment

GamesBeat: While you are becoming cautious right here about not generating expectations of an ARG, your fiction is pushing these persons in that path.

Stewart: one hundred %. But pretty tongue in cheek. One of the values of this sort of conversation–if persons go out and start out seeking for added stuff, we will gently inform them to stand down. We will communicate that there is archival material to discover, but there is no new stuff to do.

GamesBeat: It sounds like it will have to have been tough to extract one thing from this, when you anticipated to have all this technologies about it to total it. Was it complicated to finish the story without the need of that technologies?

Stephenson: In the specific case of The Long Haul, the audio drama, that was usually planned as what it is from the starting. It does not call for any AR stuff at all.

Stewart: It’s its personal story, but the original program would be that it would also–if you assume of the initially chapter becoming told as an ARG and the second chapter becoming told as an audiobook, then the place-based issues that Neal was speaking about, that would be the third evolution.

GamesBeat: Was it just the 3 of you that wound up performing this, plus the cast at Audible?

Stewart: In terms of the audio drama, yes, it was the 3 of us who have been writing it, and then Audible created it with the actors. Neal had a group in Seattle that incorporated persons in addition to the 3 of us. They have been creating, for instance, the place-based knowledge. For that you will need engineers and artists.

GamesBeat: It will have to be satisfying for this aspect, at least, to be completed.

Stewart: It truly is. We worked tough on a lot of issues, and it is good to see them see the light of day.

GamesBeat: I keep in mind your speak from Magic Leap’s debut. It involved a lot of goats. Are there goats in this point?

Stephenson: The child goats project was the brainchild of Karen Laur, who was aspect of the inventive group that came up with this world. But child goats was an unrelated concept. Why not populate your living area with goats that run about and jump up on tables and are responsive to the atmosphere? In order to create that application, we had to do a lot of basic engineering work around–we constructed a debugger. We constructed some other utilities for analyzing a area, breaking down the geometry of it, generating pathways. All of that was basic creating block stuff that required to be completed.

The path that project took became a demonstration code project. We made that application work at a simple level, and we released a number of tiers of technologies, starting with the debugger and creating on best of that, so that other developers who wanted to develop their personal applications on the Magic Leap platform could use that sample code as a template to work from. We then made use of that underlying tool set to create the place-based knowledge work that we did for the New Found Land IP.

But you could keep in mind, if you saw that presentation that I gave–that would have been October of 2018. I had flown straight there from New York, exactly where we had just completed up the ARG and the activities at New York Comic-Con. If you have been following the timeline, the release of the videos and so on, there’s a direct connection to that, and a small statement I made in the course of that presentation. I showed a blurry image of an individual leaving the Magic Leap facility, carrying a lunchbox, a beat-up lunchbox complete of electronics. That’s the PHILTR, the fictional device that figures into the story. That was the moment, according to our storyline, when one of our engineers went on the lam and ran off to Idaho with the PHILTR in the back of his automobile and has under no circumstances been seen once more.

Rony Abovitz is the founder of Sun and Thunder.

Image Credit: Sun and Thunder

GamesBeat: It sounds like you made terrific progress in figuring out how to inform stories in AR.

Stephenson: I’d like to assume so, yeah. We did a lot of pondering about what storytelling signifies in that sort of atmosphere. How to create an interactive knowledge that would be interactive, and however reveal issues about the world, let’s say.

Stewart: One point that is difficult when you are generating this stuff–if you went to film college, they commit years teaching you to have the precise incorrect instincts for generating AR. You usually have handle. The 3 most significant persons on a film are all there to do one point, which is handle what you see at each second. The director, the director of photography, and the editor, that is all they do. When you stroll into AR and VR you are in a various world. The audience can just look at one thing else.

Rony was speaking to Neal one day and he mentioned, “It’s weird. If you think about VR, everyone knows how to make VR, because you just set things in Middle-Earth and you’re in Middle-Earth. But with our technology, it has to be amazing and beautiful and wondrous, and yet it’s happening in your living room. How do you tell that story?” Which is the point exactly where Neal mentioned, “I think I know a guy.” Which is how I came to be at Magic Leap in the initially location.

ARGs are a really all-natural jumping-off point for generating in AR, for the reason that in each situations so significantly is about letting the audience learn, discover, speculate, and discover the story and assemble it for themselves. You’re not going to be capable to just nail them to a chair and inform them to stare at a screen when you do your point. It has to be significantly much less of a one way street, and significantly more of a dance. You say, “I have some steps. If you follow me and listen to the music, we can have some fun together.”

GamesBeat: You’re convincing the user that there’s magic in the true world.

Stewart: That’s usually been my purpose. When I was young I desperately wanted to go to Middle-Earth, and I couldn’t discover a way to do it. I’ve been attempting to backwards-engineer that ever because.

Stephenson: There’s yet another thread that became fascinating to us more than the course of the project, which is just non-interactive entertainment inside AR. Epic and the Unreal Engine have been receiving heavily involved in moviemaking. They’ve beefed up the excellent of the tool set inside Unreal Engine that is made use of for sequential entertainment. You develop a world and then you system particular movements and events that come about there.

Normally you see that all via a camera, which can also be programmed. But you do not have to. You can also use Sequencer to make 3-dimensional films, as it have been, that a viewer wearing AR or VR gear could stroll about and see from various angles in 3 dimensions. We also got quite deep into working with that, for the reason that it is a way you can just inform a story employing game engine technologies without the need of the added complexity of generating it totally interactive.

Image Credit: Sean Stewart

GamesBeat: Just to be clear, when you say there’s no ARG, there’s truly no ARG?

Stewart: There’s no ARG. There’s no present ARG. Good query to ask, but no.

GamesBeat: There’s so significantly fiction right here that is mixed in with the true world, I have to make sure.

Stewart: I comprehend! Needless to say, it is been a strange couple of years for these of us who began in the ARG space.

Stephenson: Sean knows what it is to launch an ARG for true and then have to deal with the onslaught of adjust and heavy interaction and hasty improvisation that goes with that. He’s not one who would idly touch one of these issues off.

GamesBeat: It could be that you just do not know. Maybe an individual from the alternate universe took more than Magic Leap, and that is why you got shut down.

Stephenson: It is noteworthy that just as we have been receiving going on this project in a really serious way, all of a sudden, boom, it was all gone.

Stewart: The web-site is now an Indonesian travel weblog. Do you assume that just occurs?

GamesBeat: They got to Rony.

Stephenson: He’s a correct believer. He’s one of us. He’s been really supportive.

Stewart: Or so we assume!

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